Do I Need To Register With Italian Police

registering your presence in Italy

03/29/2011 - 06:51

looking into residency over again where sure requirements are more than articulate even for European union citizens and there are a wealth of laws and forms to fill in even for those of you that think yous tin can merely travel to your home here whenever you like and thats all information technology takes.. anyway here is the link.. polizia di stato in English also.. so for stays under htree months your presence needs to be registered and if stopped without the paers stamped past the police when y'all declared your presence the official line is that you will exist deemed to have been here longer than 3 months.. for EU citizens that then obliges y'all to employ to be registered on the anagrafe.. which then means you lot accept to accept a certain amount of money in an italian bank business relationship.. which means opening 1.. that you take to take a private health insurance .. in fact what it as well means by implication is that you will and so loose the right to be treated abroad via your national health encompass which has limits on besides.. regarding your stays away and your rights to treatment if trying to utilise it for lonegr stays abroad.. funny the more you await the more cans of worms open..

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Cheers for the information and I must confess that I am well-nigh surprised of this requirement for stays under 3 months.... I think that information technology goes against the EU free circulation policy and I do not think that other European union members have similar requirements. Anyway, this time nosotros will comply with the instructions.... I volition tell you nigh the reaction from the Anagrafe at Bagni di Lucca.....

under iii month y'all but become to the country police.. circulating gratis in europe is a myth.. and each country has its very ain rules.. you volition detect as an Italian citizen here that you accept to adjust to these rules and that EU rules do not surpass national laws.. so if italian nationals have to then obviously its a national rule that applies to all..

"Strange nationals - that is non-Eu citizens - may enter Italy provided that they hold both a valid passport and, if required, an entry visa issued in their land of origin. As soon every bit foreign nationals enter Italy they should apply for a residence allow based on the same motivations specified on their entry visa. A residence permit is not required for business, tourism, short visits or report, provided that the stay does not exceed 3 months. EU nationals practise not need a residence permit to stay in Italy." ( from the link above) Notation the terminal point.

Hmmm but I suspect that registering your presence at the police station is not a residency pemit then does not contradict the last statement Bunterboy. I wonder if this is due to the fact that Italian citizens are required to have an identity card and exist resgistered in their local comune. If you get in in Italy and stay at a hotel/B&B, your presence is registered past the hotel with the police force, and then I'chiliad not sure anything has changed actually - just that there is now a form for you to do it yourself.

The idea of registering at the police station is all to do with the anti terrorism laws that were passed in 2001. Fortuantely they are now being repealed - merely as to whether there is still the requirement for the constabulary to know where you sleep, Im non certain.

Spreading a scrap more warning and despondency is great fun! But it's much simpler to read the DL in full (in Italian). It says y'all can ("può") register your presence with the police (there are no penalties prescribed for neglecting to do this) and that unless y'all can testify to the contrary, ("salvo prova contraria") they'll assume you've been hanging around for more than three months. Thus a plane ticket or ferry stub would exist more than than enough for a holidaymaker. So I wouldn't worry overlymuch - this DL is about the Italian state being able to throw out 'criminals' or 'threats' from EU countries, (and was specifically written with Rumanians in mind). The offer of the opportunity to annals with the police could fifty-fifty exist seen as a concession to the Roma lobby, though I've no idea if this was the intention.

The rules well-nigh registering even if staying in a hotel go way back beyond 2001 and I've always thought they were just unrepealed bits of fascist law - though given the Cerise Brigade, the "years of Pb" and the neo-fascist bombing of Bologna station I tin run into how they may be old anti-terrorist laws.

I had a await at the Italian, Spanish and French versions and in all three they state that EU citizens "can" or "may" register with the Country Law for stays of up to iii months. They warn that if yous do not do it, this may implicate that you accept been staying for over 3 months.... "unless y'all can testify to the contrary" equally stated past Fillide. I do not know what I am going to practise this time...I exercise not similar the thought of spending a full day on this ridiculous matter. Likewise, that police is quite contempo, 2008 is quoted.

The idea of registering at the police force station is all to do with the anti terrorism laws that were passed in 2001. Fortuantely they are now being repealed - just as to whether at that place is still the requirement for the police to know where you sleep, Im not sure. Hello I'm a terrorist just to let you know Mr Policeman i"1000 staying just down the route.

i would not worry besides much.. its a law and there are rules.. its aimed not at one specific EU country simply is a protection against mass population transfers and is aimed specifically at less well of people inside the EUwith the requirement for residence awarding at the comune to be listed on the anagrafe showing that you have sufficient funds and insurance cover to exist able to stay hither .. so the problem is if you are caught without the document.. then you lot take to spend a lot of fourth dimension... has anyone tried opening a bank account..it takes ages ... arranged private wellness insurance.. nearly as long.. visted the comune to apply to be registered.. another one-half twenty-four hours ..all of them requiring i would say a decent level of Italian to understand what you are signing.. so in a sense its a shortcut to being able to stay in Italy for periods upwardly to 3 months with an like shooting fish in a barrel form to fill in.. but i would not advise anyone spends their time doing so if they believe it would be better to be forced to make an awarding for residency in the comune.. the problem with the EU to my mind is that past allowing then called free travel betwixt states it likewise means that they now share all our info.. and each nation can call upward all our details very easily then that applications tin be checked with an integrated network that each of out national countries concord.. things like using friends addresses or for example when yous go out the U.k. with no intention of returning and you loose your right to NHS comprehend as its a terriory based systemm.. ie equally a uk national yous only have rights to information technology if y'all alive there.. so you are supposed to remove yourself from the annals when you leave.. what information technology means is that when you register here the UK then has proof that you so no longer are a brunt on their health organisation and instead you in the caes of Italy are a toll to that countrys wellness system.. so by making laws to forcefulness people to register presences everyone saves paying for people that would similar to have advantages of existence nationals whilst not really being a national any longer.. its a bit like the auto insurance/owenership/ regsitration debate... information technology can all exist got abroad with.. because people see sure advantages of keeping one part of their life in 1 land and accepting all the rules that suit them best in the land they move to.. i doubt very much than any control law hither volition be repealed and in fact information technology seems to me that there volition be more in more places.. as has been mentioned this is from 2008.. not long ago.. and with the thought of further expansion no one is going to get rid of laws which are esential to their minds in reducing health organization costs.. and social security payments.. so in that location volition always exist laws to do with a persons ability to pay and or contribute.. and now with very open and shared info betwixt fellow member states they have a very good idea if they desire yous to settle in their country or not...

I agree with your explanations and I do believe that these measures are directed towards certain nationalities within the EU. Also, health cover has a lot to practise with it. A similar thing is happening in Spain with many people requiring medical assistance and this is becoming a real trouble for health authorities. As we are over the historic period of 65 nosotros do have our EU health carte... so I do not think that the Italian authorities are going to worry too much about u.s.a..

I can't believe you are over 65 Gala, you sound so young!

Give thanks you, bunterboy. I do try to keep young both in body and mind; however, my nascency certificate says otherwise.... Anyway, I do not remember that I will ever become the typical lilliputian quondam lady. My enthusiasm for life volition keep me immature... I hope.....

RE the requirement to annals with the police - Annec is correct, this was due to fascist-era legislation and predates the formation of the European union. How do I know this? I was expelled from Italy in 1969 for non registering. The legislation was aimed at political or other 'undesirables', and was used against those of a radical political bent or those whose lifestyle was deemed unacceptable, eg hippies- yes, I was 1! Really I had applied for a residence permit, and in fact when a grouping of us hippies were rounded up and taken to the commissariato, I was told that my application had been approved and my permit was waiting for me. I asked if I could take information technology, and regularise my presence, merely the police officer on duty, with a sad shake of his head, said, "ah, signorina, nosotros can't give you your resident allow because you were plant without one". Reeling from this Kafka-esque logic, I didn't bother arguing further. Peace and love, eh!

My wife & I accept a small-scale house in Le Marche and due to my redundancy are now planning to motion more permanently to live in Italy, early adjacent year. I understand from the reading I've washed and then far that to gain permission to stay longer than 90 days there are weather nosotros have to meet. One of these is to take employment or 'suffient means' of support. I'm struggling to detect figures for what 'sufficient support' means. Do anyone know how much we take to have in our account to run into this criteria?

At that place is a lot of info on this sort of topic on this forum 'somewhere' ! But to summarise: My understanding is that you need to take something like 2,500 euros in a banking concern business relationship (or information technology may be 5,000 - sorry! information technology is certainly a minimal amount !). You likewise need wellness comprehend for two years, this may be through a private insurance policy. The costs of living in Le Marche are really what you want them to exist in some ways and very much depends on your lifestyle . I think the actual costs (all in) would be circa E30k per annum. 40k would be Plenty, 20k would be a little in the tight side I remember. I'one thousand sure you'll cope and also love information technology, good luck ! Due south

it'southward curious that Adriatica brought this up today because i have just been called past the police,the reason being two british people stayed with us merely they claimed the only documents they had with them were British driving licences because they had left their passports in Faenza.As in that location was no choice itook the licence details and filled in the rest of the form as ever The adjacent day the questura a called to tell me off more than than sternly that nosotros may Non have Any guests who are not in possession of either a valid passport or a valid identity menu DRIVING LICENCES including Italian ones are non acceptable every bit proof of identity in that the issuing authority in italy the !motorizzazione in uk DVLA do non have the "juridic capacity to establish identity"

A single person must have 6040 euros pa income, a couple 8200 and a family 10400 or more than. A depository financial institution argument or even autodichiarazione should be enough. Wellness insurance is more tricky and depends entirely on the comune where yous live .... in le Marche it seems a nightmare!

Merely in Ascoli Piceno health potency RAM. The rest of Marche seems unaffected.